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Vertisce Soritenshi SHADOW WARD Tragedy. 120	Posted - 2011.10.26 14:04:00 - [1] - Quote Without reading all 20 pages of crap in this thread I just have this to say... I have yet to see any Dev Blog or interview or anything that has stated CCP has shelved or stopped working on WiS. What I did read is that they are refocusing on EvE and FiS. Again I didn't see anything saying they have given up on either WiS or WoD. Unless someone has a link that specifically states otherwise I would take this to mean that they are still working on WiS as well as WoD but with less of a focus on them and more on EvE and Spaceships in Space. I still fully expect to see a completed WiS and fully expect them to continue work on it. Not to do so would be a massive waste of time and resources already spent on it...especially when it is almost complete. Support our boobies!-áLINKY!
Vertisce Soritenshi SHADOW WARD Tragedy. 120	Posted - 2011.10.26 15:24:00 - [2] - Quote Taiwanistan wrote: op needs to go to second life online and demand for spaceships You didn't even bother to read a single thing in this thread did you? Support our boobies!-áLINKY!
Vertisce Soritenshi SHADOW WARD Tragedy. 123	Posted - 2011.10.27 13:18:00 - [3] - Quote No...whats ruining EvE are the ignorant a-holes that seem to think they should be able to control CCP and what they do with EvE. The immature brats that cry and whine everytime something is changed that they don't like and then throw a tantrum and ragequit when they don't get their way. It's the jackholes that are too narrowminded and blind to see that there is a huge number of gamers out there that don't play EvE simply because you can't ever see your character. Then theres the dumbasses that seem to think there is something wrong with wanting to see your character. It's the blatant disregard for the fact that CCP is a company that is here to make money not pander to little babies whims. It's the tunnelvision nubs that can't see past their precious ship spinning and spaceship in space to see that WiS and DUST will breathe new life into EvE, bring in even more subscribers than the little crybabies that ragequit and eventually due to the new subs allow CCP to do even more with FiS than ever before. It's also the morons that refuse to admit that WiS can be a good thing, that don't want anything to do with it and seem to think nobody else should either and refuse to just shut the ** up about it and let others enjoy the game the way they want to. It's also the dipsticks that can't just ignore NeX if they don't like it and seem to think that if they don't like it then nobody else could possibly like it. CCP needs to buckle down...get this massive FiS expansion for this winter rolled out and then finish WiS. There is enough room with expansions to be able to do a WiS expansion in the Summer and a FiS expansion in the Winter each year. Support our boobies!-áLINKY!**
Vertisce Soritenshi SHADOW WARD 145	Posted - 2011.11.03 00:25:00 - [4] - Quote All of you saying "If you don't like FiS then EvE isn't for you" are the ones that will ultimately kill EvE or at the very least prevent CCP from ever increasing their profits. MMO's have to change and bring new and fresh things to survive. EvE has done so by doing exactly this so far but to completely ignore all the people out there that don't play EvE simply because you can't walk around outside your ship is stupidity. Ignorance really is bliss in EvE as made evident by many of you in this thread alone. Support our boobies!-áLINKY!
Vertisce Soritenshi SHADOW WARD 146	Posted - 2011.11.03 04:09:00 - [5] - Quote Cearain wrote: Ranka Mei wrote: Cearain wrote: Most men are not interested in dress up. I know I don't speak for everyone. Some people really want dress up and have spoken out about it. But stastically dress up games are not going to appeal to the sci fi demographic. Exactly how limited has a mind to be to think of further immersiveness and truer virtual realities only in terms of playing 'dress-up'? What is it that the man said?! "You, Sir, are so narrow minded, that if you fell on a pin it would blind you in both eyes." Yeah say what you want about "further immersiveness" and "truer virtual realities." But when ccp talks about wis they do not mean full body sensor suits and virtual glasses. They are talking about dressing up computer avatars. You may fail to understand this but that does not make me narrow minded. You fail to see the point to WiS. Completely failed to see the point. On that note however...the ship explosions themselves could really use some work...they are rather boring. Support our boobies!-áLINKY!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 181	Posted - 2011.11.14 21:45:00 - [6] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Issler Dainze wrote: So I had an interesting thought. Seeing all the FiS stuff in the in the winter expansion and knowing how long it takes to get that much content done I suspect more was being worked on related to FiS than we knew. That much of this was in plan and being coded while we were distracted with CQ and microtransaction sparkle ponies. I'm sure I'm wrong but it would be pretty awesome if there is some WiS working still happening that isn't being talked about and that CCP is going to surprise us with it sooner than we could expect given recent "on ice" comments. CCP, please let this be the case! Issler Summer 2012 better belongs to us. EvE expansion summer 2012. EvE: Immersion Please? Seriously...after everything coming to the winter expansion the FiS guys have absolutely nothing to *** about. Support our boobies!-áLINKY!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2011.11.15 14:56:00 - [7] - Quote Nypheas Azurai wrote: I'm also one of those unsubs and will be again shortly. I left because Incarna was a failure of commitment to EVE players on so many levels. And to be fair to myself, the only reason why I joined EVE in the first place was because of the promise of an expanding world. That CCP is peddling and sadly some of the playerbase now believes that micro-patches scrambled together in the last few months trumps the need for real expansive content... it's a trend away from all the reasons I joined. I'll likely resub to check out the winter expansion (indeed a great set of patches, but to be clear patches is all they are and ones that should have occurred long ago), and probably look for any signs of life for WiS or if not (how could it be not?) whatever the next expansive new content will be (even fully realizing planetary interaction would be cool). I think all players of EVE, FIS and WIS, are tired of paying for the mistakes of WoD and DUST; it's not fair to starve off the future of EVE in some bid for forgiveness through false penance. This has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read. You joined EvE "because of the promise of an expanding world." yet you are opposed to WiS and DUST? Oh right...by expanding you mean "more empty and unused systems". That must be it... Both WiS and DUST are designed to expand the world of EvE. Not just in terms of more systems but in gameplay and demographic. Those that are opposed to WiS and DUST simply want more and more of the same. More and more of the same is what kills games. People grow bored of the same old same old in games. Right now the reason I am playing EvE is because I look forward to what DUST will bring. I play because I want to see WiS realized and experience what it will bring. Ive shot and killed enough people in EvE. I want to experience new things now. Shooting people from a new ship is still shooting poeple from a ship. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2011.11.23 14:44:00 - [8] - Quote Traelox wrote: posting here with my 2009 main main (?) to emphasize that WiS has never made any sense to me. I fly around the Lowsec and Highsec and NPC 0.0 universe and visit system after system seeing only ~20% of the pilots in system FiS to begin with. FiS is what built this game, WiS is the biggest example of CCP having an interesting idea, but failing to realize this isn't the game to implement it on. Why give people one more excuse to stay docked up playing in a station when this is a FiS game that brought us here to begin with? (if you say WiS brought you here, you must admit you were gambling on a change to a game that is and always will be based on FiS.... so sucks to be you, sorry). Let's be PERFECTLY honest. EVE does not have the subscriber base to afford having 10%, 20%, 30% more players stay docked up playing some SIM game. We need more people FiS INTERACTING in space with the other people in this SPACESHIP game. ^^ not yelling, emphasizing. With several thousand systems already to spread out in, 40K-50K accounts logged in MAX at the busiest times I've seen, and only 20K-25K online in late US TZ when I'm online, my perspective is that there just aren't enough individual users to open up an entire new separate interaction realm within this game and still provide an interactive massive multiplayer experience for FiS. 25,000 pilots logged in - 1,000 Jita trade alts and gankers = 24,000 / 7500 systems = 3.2 pilots/system. <- not very massive. If you're banking on WiS to up the subscriber count so that the concerns I note above are resolved through more people (keeping the count of FiS players where it is today, or even growing), I believe you're reaching too far to assume that EVE will pull players from other 1st person SIMs where you already get a fancy looking character and customizable clothes with a well established world to play in. Lastly, i support the dedication of finite corporate resources available to FiS instead of spreading the work across the 2 vaslty different gamestyles. Whether the Crucible model of bug fixes and gameplay hardening will continue, or be augmented with whole new FiS content produced for the next release - the change in focus over the past 1-2 months meets my expectations of a company building a FiS game. Thanks for a fun 2 years of EVE for me, I look forward to the creative things CCP can bring us in the future. In summary: ** WiS. Those Devs and Graphics guys/gals can do sweet things for FiS --- keep them there. /brutal honesty There are too many misconceptions in this post for it to be relevant. I don't know how many times CCP has stated that EvE is a "Space SciFi Simulator". This does not just mean "spaceship game". They want to make EvE the full deal which includes getting out of your ship and walking around. This includes ground combat on planets. Likely something very limited in scope for the EvE client so they made DUST. I support CCP doing what they want to do to make this game their vision. I support working on WiS and FiS independantly as they see fit using whatever resources they desire. I also support the players who seem to think they know whats best and telling CCP what to do shutting the up and playing the game instead of whining on the forums about how they never get any attention. /rant What is going to happen when CCP finally decides to revisit and finish WiS to be what they visioned it to be? Are the FiS babies going to start throwning tantrums again because all the attention isn't focused on them? Are there going to be more riots in Jita? Will players with PC's that can't run WiS cry about how they can't use it so it's worthless? Will people whine about a feature they aren't even forced to use and can simply ignore? I think CCP should do whatever the hell they want with EvE. There is absolutely nothing wrong with WiS except that it brings out the ignorance and blind hatred of people who don't understand the simple fact that EvE will need to expand and grow to survive in the MMO world. Again...this means finishing WiS eventually. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2011.11.23 15:09:00 - [9] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: Issler Dainze wrote: They have made it cleat the WiS is no longer being worked on after this expansion. Issler Wait, where did they say that? IGÇÖm fine with them taking more time with incarna in the hope that it will be a fully fleshed out RPG style game (e.g. mass effect) but if they are dropping it all together IGÇÖm going to be really unhappy. Flying round in spaceships doing the same old shite that people have been doing for years is not what i signed up for! I wanted to play the ultimate sci-fi game, not pretty looking excel doc. Well said. And they didn't say that WiS is no longer being worked on after this expansion. At least I have never seen anything from a Dev or otherwise to that effect. They did state that they were shelving it in favor of more iteration on FiS. Which they have done with the winter expansion and I am sure they will continue to do so in the future but I doubt they are going to just not work on WiS. They will come back to it. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2011.11.23 18:22:00 - [10] - Quote Guttripper wrote: Lots of stuff on my post that CCP won't let me quote again...grrr.... Just some thoughts on the matter. I gave you a "like" for the good points...now I will reply with my opinion on them. First off I would state that I think EvE is still cold and harsh. Maybe not as much in Highsec but EvE still remains the game that players make it within set rules. Wormhole space is pretty rough to live in for one. This new change to insurance payouts on pirates doesn't make it any easier for them for sure. Yes...changes have been made but I don't feel it is any "easier" just different. I don't think WiS will ever reach their "ideal" vision of it either. At least not any time soon and not without some massive server and network infrastructure upgrades. But that is not to say they shouldn't push the envelope and try. I don't think that the first iteration of WiS was deliberately made to be a front for MT. I think that the NEX store had to be released at the same time as WiS to allow for what they desired to be the purchase of clothing and whatnot through NEX. Is NEX a front for money grabbing through PLEX? Absolutely but I am not going to call that a bad thing. CCP needs to make money and as long as they stick to their promise of vanity items only then I am ok with this as it is optional. And yes I will agree that there is a lot of empty space out there that nobody uses...but that is not because of WiS or NEX...that is because Nullsec has grown boring and there really isn't much incentive to go out there anymore. Especially after the Sanctum nerf. Let's not go there though. I did not forget that WiS was forced on us in the beginning. Big mistake CCP. That has been corrected and in the future it will not be required to enter WiS just like it isn't now. EvE has survived as a "niche" game. EvE is the only MMORPG of it's kind in the space genre. This is why EvE has survived. Has EvE expanded? A little...not much if you think about how long EvE has been running. At this point most companies would expect their game to be well over a couple of million subs otherwise they would cancel the game. CCP has not done this because EvE is the flagship game for them. This makes sense. But EvE is also limited by what subscribers it can bring in due to it's "niche". WiS would not correct this but it would alleviate some of the problem. My wife as an example would not play EvE because she could not see her character. This may be stupid to you and I but it is how a lot of gamers if not the vast majority feel other than those who play EvE. Now she plays EvE. At this point CCP needs to find a fine balance and work on both FiS and WiS with FiS being a priority. Keep the core alive but build on it one step at a time. Don't bite off more than you can chew. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2011.11.28 14:12:00 - [11] - Quote Frankly anybody who says WiS was a beta for WoD is an ignorant fool. If you don't like paying to play a Beta then you better stop playing all MMO's because that's all you are really doing 100% of the time. Every single game I have played, especially EvE has been revised and changed over time until another company comes along and steals all the ideas to make their own game. As of right now I would call WiS "swimming pools in space"...I will continue to call it that until I can run and actually make it from point A to point B in a reasonable amount of time. I want to see WiS completed but testing my patience by making me walk everywhere in the small room I have just annoys me. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2011.12.07 22:40:00 - [12] - Quote Midnight Hope wrote: I would love to explore an abandoned BS or Space Station. Holy ***** ! I read that and I swear to god I had an orgasm! Exploring an abandoned BS or Station as part of a mission or storyline would be *** sweet. Yeah yeah...Carebear stuff...I know...but still. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2011.12.16 15:20:00 - [13] - Quote Freezehunter wrote: Federigo Mondial wrote: If you want F2P, please leave EvE alone, I prefer a game with people cunning and intelligent trolls than kids going capslock all over. For example, take a GOOD look at Combat Arms US chat channels. Then watch your own brain cells fry themselves. Now if you want F2P, go ahead and bug CCP on DUST instead. It's gonna be micro-transaction anyway as per CCP. If it is ever released of course. Dust won't last past it's 3rd month, mark my words. You are wrong. Mark my words. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2011.12.23 14:14:00 - [14] - Quote Guys...keep reading what devs post in blogs. It is clear they have not given up on WiS but have just backburned for the time being. They want to focus on FiS which is perfectly fine. Eventually they will come back to WiS...they don't have a choice...they started it and will eventually need to finish it. My bet is they are working on it right now with a much smaller team than before while they keep the focus on the core game. I am also positive that we will hear much more about WiS at the fanfest. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2011.12.27 14:00:00 - [15] - Quote It's amazing to me how completely greedy the FiS crowd is. Seems to me the WiS crowd wants to see work done on both FiS and WiS while the FiS crowd wants nothing but FiS to be worked on... My vote has always been to let CCP do what they want and make the game they want to make. I say we shut the whiny little fucks up who ***, protest and shoot at statues. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2011.12.27 23:17:00 - [16] - Quote MotherMoon wrote: oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: It's amazing to me how completely greedy the FiS crowd is. Seems to me the WiS crowd wants to see work done on both FiS and WiS while the FiS crowd wants nothing but FiS to be worked on... My vote has always been to let CCP do what they want and make the game they want to make. I say we shut the whiny little fucks up who ***, protest and shoot at statues. well DUST beta is coming ,lets see how much will be done on FIS or WIS People need to remember there are not more people working on eve now than when incarna was released. They fired 200 people. And for that we can blame the crybabies that rage quit over petty crap. I am still predicting that DUST will not only make CCP more money but will also draw in more players to play EvE making them even more money. Same thing would have happened if WiS was completed. I am willing to bet that EvE would have made more back in new subs over the losers that quit if they had kept going with WiS and didn't back down on it. I still like Crucible and everything it has brought us in new ships and content but completing WiS should not be dismissed by CCP. While focus should remain on FiS, WiS should not be left behind and should be finished sooner rather than later. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2011.12.28 01:05:00 - [17] - Quote Soma Khan wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: MotherMoon wrote: People need to remember there are not more people working on eve now than when incarna was released. They fired 200 people. And for that we can blame the crybabies that rage quit over petty crap. I am still predicting that DUST will not only make CCP more money but will also draw in more players to play EvE making them even more money. Same thing would have happened if WiS was completed. I am willing to bet that EvE would have made more back in new subs over the losers that quit if they had kept going with WiS and didn't back down on it. I still like Crucible and everything it has brought us in new ships and content but completing WiS should not be dismissed by CCP. While focus should remain on FiS, WiS should not be left behind and should be finished sooner rather than later. man your absolutely right if ccp was able to make great wis content more ppl would come and join and then if wis was better than wow ppl would quit wow and join eve and then if dust was great ppl would quit xbox and halo and come and join eve and if ccp made great wod and vampires ppl would come and join eve and more subs would make more moneys for ccp and ccp would make more wis contend so we can plays with our avatars and cool stuff like that cause we know that wis content will be great. you are totally the only smart person posting in this thread cause like you know exactly what would happen if other stuff was to happen as a result of some other cool stuff happening. really It is obvious that you have no clue as to why most people DON'T play EvE and why WiS would bridge that gap and open EvE up to a much much larger audience than just the hardcore PvP players. Also...CCP hardly abandoned FiS for 2 years. There was plenty of content added in for FiS. If you don't agree it is only because you didn't like what content was brought in. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2011.12.29 14:10:00 - [18] - Quote BUMP! WiS should not be given up on! Backburn it for a time to get FiS fixed but WiS should be the next thing on the menu after the DUST 514 release. That gives time for CCP to introduce one more really good FiS expansion before getting WiS fully implemented. Besides guys...I hate to break this to you but DUST and WiS are kinda tied together. It has already been stated that DUST and EvE players would be able to interact with each other to some degree...at least in some sort of orbital station. CCP has put a lot of time and effort into WiS and they won't just drop it at this point. You FiS harpies are going to just have to live with that. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2011.12.30 14:42:00 - [19] - Quote Taiwanistan wrote: ranger1 your ideas are so shitstupid you must be trollin 1. info- like what? where's that ibis with 50 plexes, where's that titan 20km off a pos, where's SC stuck with no fuel? 2. boosters- so you are giong to grief the whole server by forcing them into wis for boosters? screw you 3. command center- jesus christ, have you ever been in a fleet? yeah let's have docked backseat fc-ing don't make points, just don't Fortunately your post is null since every one of your posts is "shitstupid". Quit being an ass and accept the fact that other people do have other views and opinions...and you are not always right despite what you may think. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2011.12.30 21:02:00 - [20] - Quote oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: Vallek Arkonnis wrote: oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: Vallek Arkonnis wrote: I like many others don't want FiS to be sidelined to the point of being broken. That being said, I want WiS to be fleshed out. You will always have very vocal WiS haters that are afraid of change that will see ANY WOD and DUST development as time that could have been spent on EVE. fixed that for you And it's wrong for a game developer to develop more than one game because... ? Just because you're married to one video game doesn't mean game developers should be. Did Incarna not deliver to the hype? Obviously. Were there bugs and balance issues with eve in general that should have been fixed a long time ago? Of course. But let's get one thing straight; there will always be bugs and always be people who *** about any little thing. Dedicating time and resources to create new products is not a bad thing and it's naive bratiness to think otherwise. Where did i ever mention that i don,t want them make more Games All this hate for WIS comes from a period where EVE was neglected in favor for other games add the fail to deliver some of the promised big features and of course the rage about RMT related NEX So i changed the quote according to that nothing more ,nothing less And about the NEX, So NEX will not have P2W items in it,according to CCP DUST surely will have P2W items DUST will be linked to EVE in the future ,so EVE will be P2W indirectly How is DUST going to be P2W? If that is the case then EvE is already P2W. DUST is going to use ISK and PLEX in the same way that EvE does. How is this different at all? They have stated this on numerous occasions and have also stated that the ISK used in EvE can be transferred to a character in DUST. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.03 14:56:00 - [21] - Quote Taiwanistan wrote: ok but i just don't know how you have such strong faith and conviction in wis and the capabilities of ccp there better be a second step You are just negative as all hell. Frankly I have a lot of faith in CCP. I have said this before but EvE is the only MMORPG that has ever gone through not just one but several "SIGNIFICANT" changes to the graphics engine. To top it off the engine is still being updated today and has completely been replaced from what it was 8 years ago without losing character data and changing the mechanics of the game too drastically. No other MMO has ever done this and have always stated the lame ass excuse of "we would have to change the base code and everybody would lose character data.". CCP has proven that completely wrong several times over at this point. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.03 20:26:00 - [22] - Quote Kuronaga wrote: Alpheias wrote: Kuronaga wrote: There is a difference between griefing and pvp. Even from my pirating days I knew that. But then you found Jesus and now, you want to play dress up with other like-minded cretins? And I like both griefing and pvp, for different reasons. Kuronaga wrote: Frankly you just sound mentally disturbed if you want to focus your hatred on one particular person that much. I am sorry, armchair psychiatrist, I don't listen to bullshit and you are both stunningly and embarrassingly full of **. So you act psychotic, and have also done your best to reflect that in your emo looking portrait. In other words, you have no relevance whatsoever in any discussion. You are just looking for attention. THIS^ Seriously...so damned fixated on one thing that you can't see the real issue... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.03 20:47:00 - [23] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: CCP! Open the door!!! I think im putting that in my sig... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.03 22:07:00 - [24] - Quote Hikaru Kuroda wrote: Why people who have nothing to do with the topic keep posting in this thread? Trolls. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.04 01:41:00 - [25] - Quote Kelsi Corynn wrote: I'm sure CCP will clarify their WIS plans in due time. But it'll be a while, because it's currently on the backburner. Anybody wanna take bets that they are actually still working on WiS and just keeping it a secret so the little whiny bitches will shut the ** up about it? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:45:00 - [26] - Quote Taiwanistan wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Issler Dainze wrote: CCP! Open the door!!! I think im putting that in my sig... nice i hope they have a special /grovelingus emote just for you It's called "the middle finger"...I will be sure to throw one your way whenever I see you. The NeX issue is irrelevant here. Frankly I don't understand why anybody even cares about the NeX store being there or not. I have seen people complain that NeX is taking away from the people that create stuff...why? You couldn't create clothing before...what makes you think you deserve to now? You can still make every module, ship and piece of ammo you could before...nothing has been "taken" from you at all. But again...that is the point...if you don't like NeX...IGNORE it. Move on already. The core of EvE is still there for you to play in. Same goes for WiS...if you don't like it...don't use it. You aren't being forced into anything here. Having a team of devs working on WiS is not going to take anything away from the rest of EvE. CCP still has teams of people working on FiS. And no, your argument of that one team taking 1 or 2 people away from other parts of EvE is not valid. It's like throwing 5 people at a job that only needs 2. You don't need every single dev in CCP working on one thing to get the job done. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.04 18:31:00 - [27] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Forum Fighter wrote: Everytime they make some progress on Wis they get spam called on Skype by Shittani nerdraging about Fis and using words like: "hubris." Good. It's nice to see the CSM sticking up for what the vast majority of Goonswarm players want. Fixed it for you. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.04 20:36:00 - [28] - Quote fido gotran over wrote: You can load CQ (after like 5 min) then your computer freezes and melts at the same time -- what more do you want? Really? Have you tried upgrading in the last decade? Bringing attention to this thread... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53700&find=unread Although perhaps intended as a joke...it's not a bad idea. Some people need to stop being selfish, ungrateful dicks and start considering what is best for EvE as a whole and CCP as a company. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.04 22:13:00 - [29] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Some people need to stop being selfish, ungrateful dicks and start considering what is best for EvE as a whole and CCP as a company. I agree! Why people are demanding that CCP go back to ignoring Eve in favor of space pants is shocking. Why you seem to think every dev at CCP "MUST" work on EvE and FiS alone and nothing else preventing CCP from expanding and growing is shocking. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.06 19:47:00 - [30] - Quote Taiwanistan wrote: i like your idea, the production of weapons to be sold to dust dudes is right on the money smuggling- interesting i always thought smuggling was from low/null to hi sec but you are talking about inter-station smuggling, and that a hisec station can have a "lawless floor or section" i should also go read Burning Life to get a better idea. Holy **! Did you guys turn him into Pro WiS while I was away?! For the record the biggest reason I have wanted WiS was for the ideas presented at fanfest last year for bounty hunting and drug running. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.09 15:24:00 - [31] - Quote You guys really need to learn how to use the ignore feature and just ignore Harlots posts like I did. Nothing she says is of any value whatsoever. She is ignorant, dense and a sheep follower of Mittani. Now...to the subject at hand. I think it is fair to say that there is interest in WiS. CCP has stated that they don't know what the future plans are at this point because they haven't thought about it. This due to the rage and hatred from Incarna or whatever illogical crap spawned that completely off the wall response that a bunch if baby players gave to it. Either way it is only a matter of time. CCP will revisit WiS. I agree with the current direction of EvE. Get the stuff already implemented balanced and fixed before introducing any more new stuff. That also means no new FiS until the current FiS stuff is fixed and balanced and after that WiS should be finished before doing more new FiS stuff. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.10 15:39:00 - [32] - Quote Bluestream3 wrote: Aalam Naar wrote: Let's all be perfectly honest here about the WiS discussion. It's painfully obvious that the scope of any future FiS content is reaching it's limit. There is not much else CCP can add to this element of the game while keeping EVE from getting stale in a few years time. I agree, however, that there is fine tuning to be done with existing content. But that's essentially all there is left to do to improve on the 'spaceship' end of this MMO. Period. Simple. Get over it. The only consideration for long term viability and focus is WiS. The ability for avatars to navigate a comprehensive science fiction themed genre is absolutely CCPs intention. They've already created an amazing new avatar generator, CQ, and other image improvement that flow organically into what the full intention of this game has been envisioned to be. OP is liked. I wonder how many times this has been said in history, about many things. Everything that can be invented, has been invented. There's a total world market for about 5 computers. Well there are lots of quotes like it. If you're still playing in 5 years, I'm sure you could look back to this post and have a laugh about how wrong you were. I do not agree with the sentiment that there is nowhere else to go with FiS. There are I am sure plenty of things they can still do with FiS that nobody has even thought of yet. However...that is no reason to discount WiS. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.10 15:41:00 - [33] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: Taiwanistan wrote: you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff" and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that No, i see WiS as a way to add more variety, drastically different gameplay and a deeper sense of immersion to EVE. I see improvements to FiS content as being something that we should expect and not class as an "expansion". This is a very good way to put it. WiS is actually creating NEW and FRESH content instead of just expanding on the old content. Again...not saying we shouldn't expand on the old content that is FiS and the core of EvE. But we should not be discouraging new content like WiS that adds more variety and more stuff to do. Even if you don't want to use it...it improves the game...draws in more players to shoot at in FiS...makes more money for CCP which in turn means better stuff all around. Yes...CCP should keep a focust on fixing what needs fixed in FiS first. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.10 22:29:00 - [34] - Quote Hikaru Kuroda wrote: A CCP survey is up, provide useful feedback of WiS to them. Go! Nice survey...hope it's legit. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.11 03:31:00 - [35] - Quote I re-enforced "OPEN THE DOOR!" in the comments of the survey I took...if you support this thread do the same. Of course leave any other constructive comments as well. This should be a great help to CCP to understand what we want as players. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:00:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Guard wrote: Jill Xelitras wrote: Issler Dainze wrote: Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment. "but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. " Issler No Hilmar, we don't want more spaceships. We want you to fix the current ones ! You may even want to release the promised ones. And then we want you to walk over to your marketing department and tell them to stop telling everybody that "walking in stations" has been finally released until it really is ready to be released on TQ. I saw Torfi walking a character through a bar and playing a cool game ... Now go and make that happen ! That's when you should start marketing WIS. Also, I'm very surprised (although I shouldn't be) that it took you until NOW to figure out that PI could be used to make low-sec interesting ... really CCP ? After all those years ? I wonder why I keep paying. "More spaceships" in this context means more focus on the spaceship part of the game, the core gameplay. So it's not to be taken 100% literally :). There have been a lot of fixes and tweaks lately and there are more coming. C'mon man...if you don't have any information that you are able to or allowed to divulge to us on the core issue of this thread then say so. At least a "I am sorry but I have no more information on the future of WiS at this time." is all it would take to keep people from getting annoyed with a reply that really only applies to one comment in a thread over 120 pages long that doesn't even really relate to the topic at hand. It is nice to know there are more bug fixes and tweaks coming though. I like hearing that info too. You are one of the better devs that actually respond on the forums Guard. Keep up the good work...but please...get us more info on the future plans of WiS if possible. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:26:00 - [37] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Grateler wrote: In all the time since WiS was announced I have yet to see anyone say exactly what there would be to do that would add anything to the game. Normally I get mumbles about smuggling, gambling etc, which are minigames at best and so far Ive heard nothing suggested that warranted all of the work involved in getting it workng. When someone tells me of something interesting that it will do, other than an Eve Ironforge where you /dance I may change my mind, but at the moment see no purpose in it. everything is an game within game... And everything added is added to the game.. The fact that you and many others dont see it as "needed" "relevant" "improving" is quite frankly irrelevant. If they add curtains to "THE DOOR" it will be something added to the game.. technically. And the whine about it will be hilarious... People raging about CCP making curtains for "THE DOOR" instead of working on "spaceships" I bet it will hit 450 pages in two days.. Hilarious. Granted the whine about the curtains would probably be a lot less if CCP was more proactive about bug fixes and there were a lot fewer of them in the game but there would still be a lot of whine from idiots that seem to think CCP cannot devote a single Dev to anything other than FiS. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.11 19:55:00 - [38] - Quote GD is perfectly fine for this thread. It was originally a thread requesting info on the future of WiS...in discussion ideas were spawned. Nothing wrong with that. We are generally discussing the general future of WiS while requesting general information. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.11 21:23:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Guard wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: CCP Guard wrote: Jill Xelitras wrote: Issler Dainze wrote: Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment. "but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. " Issler No Hilmar, we don't want more spaceships. We want you to fix the current ones ! You may even want to release the promised ones. And then we want you to walk over to your marketing department and tell them to stop telling everybody that "walking in stations" has been finally released until it really is ready to be released on TQ. I saw Torfi walking a character through a bar and playing a cool game ... Now go and make that happen ! That's when you should start marketing WIS. Also, I'm very surprised (although I shouldn't be) that it took you until NOW to figure out that PI could be used to make low-sec interesting ... really CCP ? After all those years ? I wonder why I keep paying. "More spaceships" in this context means more focus on the spaceship part of the game, the core gameplay. So it's not to be taken 100% literally :). There have been a lot of fixes and tweaks lately and there are more coming. C'mon man...if you don't have any information that you are able to or allowed to divulge to us on the core issue of this thread then say so. At least a "I am sorry but I have no more information on the future of WiS at this time." is all it would take to keep people from getting annoyed with a reply that really only applies to one comment in a thread over 120 pages long that doesn't even really relate to the topic at hand. It is nice to know there are more bug fixes and tweaks coming though. I like hearing that info too. You are one of the better devs that actually respond on the forums Guard. Keep up the good work...but please...get us more info on the future plans of WiS if possible. There is actually no new information to be had at this time for the reason that we haven't decided the next steps for WiS yet. The summer expansion will be war themed as has been stated by our new Senior Producer, and will continue to enhance EVE core gameplay. What happens then is not certain at this point but we'll be sure to let you guys in on it as soon as we can (when we know). The tech for 3d character environments is there for the most part and we haven't decided to drop any future plans for it or anything like that. There's plenty of ideas floating around and lots of possibilities. So nothing has changed from the early stages of this thread really. Sorry to not have more juicy details at this time. Thank you very much Guard. While this is pretty much what I expected I believe this is the answer needed to satisfy us in this thread. No new decision made on the future of WiS. Not permanantly dropped but no current plans for it. Plans for next expansion are war themed. Very plain and understandable. Thank you again Guard. No reason to lock the thread. If people want to keep discussing WiS stuff in it then they should be able to. Unless you want another WiS thread opened up in it's place Sicex? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.12 00:56:00 - [40] - Quote Flamespar wrote: Xuko Nuki wrote: "CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS! " Please clarify the future plans for WiS! future plans for WiS! ... No future plans for WiS were clarified, "we don't have one" does not count as a plan. The thread must go on. It's a good enough answer for me. I'm going to let my subscription lapse and go play another game until CCP actually delivers something that interests me. Apparently there is a robot game out there where the developers actually deliver what they say they are going to deliver, when they say they are going to do so (how weird is that?) Robot game? Rock em' Sock em' Robots? If you mean the robot game I think you mean...I feel for you. That game sucks. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.13 21:29:00 - [41] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: You should turn on signatures, so you could read how this account will expire in less than 24 hours. You still strike me as an idiot, and that's just based off your sig. One expansion did nothing for you (which I highly doubt and if it didn't it is likely nobodies fault but your own) so you quit? That's a clear indication of a loser if there ever was one. You won't be missed. I guess you just can't please em all CCP. Crucible was a great expansion...EvE only gets better with each passing year. I hope EvE survives for a long time to come. I expect to die an old man playing EvE. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.17 19:16:00 - [42] - Quote I don't understand...CCP replies just as we asked them to...and everybody bitches about it. ***** be happy already...CCP is still working on WiS in a very limited form, thats it...there is no reason to badger them at this point. They have told us what they can at this time. If you want to get more involved and tell them how to do WiS put in an application after you get a degree in programming or game design. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.17 19:34:00 - [43] - Quote Soulpirate wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: I don't understand...CCP replies just as we asked them to...and everybody bitches about it. ***** be happy already...CCP is still working on WiS in a very limited form, thats it...there is no reason to badger them at this point. They have told us what they can at this time. If you want to get more involved and tell them how to do WiS put in an application after you get a degree in programming or game design. Have you read the DEV posts at all? Yeah...so far they tell me that WiS is officially on hold with a 5 man team currently fleshing out ideas for it who are currently also reading through this thread for ideas. The dev responses are sufficient. Personally I want to thank Bayesian for taking the time to update us with this informaion. I encourage you to read this threadnaught as well as the many other threads out there with ideas for WiS. I also encourage you to ignore the WiS haters. Thank you very much for your time and all the hard work you are putting into EvE. Please make WiS great and release it when it is ready. Thank you. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.17 19:53:00 - [44] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: I find this a very unsettling "throw the WiS fans a bone to shut them up" kind of answer. I was really responding to this...I find this to be uncalled for despite everything we have gotten from the Dev's at this point. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.18 13:49:00 - [45] - Quote "RUNNING" in stations, a cover system, using a gun to blow your enemies face off. Design WiS to be part of the SOV system. After reinforcing a station we should have to board the station and take over certain objectives while the current owners defend it before it is ours. THAT would make WiS meaningful and part of the core of EvEs PVP. When it comes to highsec, killing someone in the station would have the same effect as it does in space. Guns pop out of the walls and guards fill you with tungsten rounds. Bounty hunting in stations! There is so much that can be done with stations...tie it in with PvP and 0 sec SOV. When it comes to how combat should play out in stations either take a queue from Mass Effect, Gears, Uncharted... and use a third person view with cover system or do a first person with cover system. Or both...personally I think a more Mass Effect feel would be perfect. Basically give us DUST but in space and in stations! DUST can cover planetary ground stuff...WiS can cover space and in stations stuff. As for skills you could make skills work just like they do in space. Skills for armor and perhaps shields. A skill for each type of weapon to use, skills for improving reload times and accuracy. **...this would be awesome! Oh...also this... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24221&find=unread EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.18 22:59:00 - [46] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Frankly, I don't see violence as a part of WiS. CCP would implement it in such a way that anyone could be assassinated in station by any griefer. And this game already gives too many opportunities to people whose only aim is to spoil somebody else's fun. Maybe virtual violence could stick (kind of the holodecks from the ST franchise), but i don't see it suit to EVE. WiS should be more about socializing (have fun with corpies, or with foreigners who could become corpies), provide support to current gameplay (FAI, Agents' offices, "research labs", "market exchanges"), or provide an alternate "in world" UI to play without the UI overlay, or maybe even allow new in-station professions. But, a way to kill people against they will... not really buying it. Don't. It could be regulated. Perhaps technology inside the stations shuts off weaponry in places where the tech is installed. Perhaps inside a player owned bar a module is in effect that shuts off any weapon making it inoperable. Once you leave that bar the weapon reactivates until you enter another room that has the module in place to disarm it. This would allow for some PvP in certain circumstances. Areas of the station used for capturing or even missions for PvE would be separate from the bazaar area where most people would accumulate and hang out. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.19 18:01:00 - [47] - Quote CCP Spitfire wrote: Inappropriate posts removed. Please behave and post constructively. All 135 pages worth? I applaud you...that must have been a whole day of work... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.26 15:40:00 - [48] - Quote Really guys? (Rek Seven and Nova Fox) I think you are both right. New sand, more sand, bigger box, more toys, new toys. All of it leads to a better sandbox. We just need to keep the trolls out so they will stop shitting in our sand. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.31 00:42:00 - [49] - Quote I may also vote for Issler. Not sure...I get all my facts before making a decision. Was gonna run myself but I think I have far too many people on these forums that hate me to have any chance of succeeding. No point in splitting the voter pool even a little if you ain't gonna win and you know it. Kinda screws the pooch for everybody else if you know what I mean. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.01.31 02:18:00 - [50] - Quote Yeah...this is true. I have the time to dedicate to being a CSM member. I spend almost all my time on the forums at work anyway and could take time off if need be. I just don't think I would garner the votes to make it worth it...so I will support someone I know can. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.02.21 17:17:00 - [51] - Quote Ann133566 wrote: Is this thread still open? I thought the sheer tedium of the subject would of killed it of. Beats shooting at statues all day... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:04:00 - [52] - Quote I tried to say this yesterday but the forums ate my well typed and articulated response and I did not feel like typing it again. But...here goes... PvP in WiS can be done quite easily if CCP want's to spend the time to do it. I have mentioned this before either in this thread or another...not sure. First off put in a 3rd person shooter aspect to it. DUST has the 1st person shooter covered so do 3rd person in EvE. Then put a use to it such as a requirement to go into a station and accomplish certain goals in order to take it. Tie it into the SOV system. This can also be done with the DUST guys but not both at the same time. One or the other. When it comes to PvE and PvP in the stations and not tying into SOV the stations themselves can be broken down into teirs of security just like space is. High sec has sentry guns and police to roflpwn the ganker and help protect people. Piracy and ganking still possible...just riskier to do. Low sec has sentry guns but no police and Zero sec has nothing to protect you. With that set up properly you can have missions given in station to perform in the various areas and rewards to compensate accordingly. There you go...PvP in stations along with PvE. 3rd person shooter action like in Mass Effect would be perfect for this type of play considering what you are controlling and how the current controls work. You now have "meaning" to WiS for both the casual missioner and the PvPer. Bounty Hunting could also easily be worked into all of this. Edit: For the record the forum ate this post too...yay for me and copy/paste. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.02.27 19:30:00 - [53] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: The recent discussions continue to confirm that there is player interest in ambulation! CCP, please realize this needs more that a skeleton crew. Before the space pants/barbie trolls jump in, I'm not asking to shut down FiS (in fact anyone following my CSM efforts knows I want lots of developers working on FIS content, Mining in particular) but the size of the team working on this is too small! One other thing, I agree that at some point there should be some places where you ambulate that have risks, the best ideas I've heard seem to the graduated levels of security proposal. Putting my SciFi imaginati-designer-cap (tm) on, it would make sense to me that there would places in station where no weapons are allowed and then other places where sneaky folk slip about and places where bad men would slit your throat because they think you look funny. So I'd be fine with something like that. Finally, I promised not to bring the CSM elections up here but I think we need someone on the CSM that vigorously supports ambulation. I'd ask anyone that wants more attention to ambulation to ask all the CSM candidates where they stand on ambulation and make sure you vote for the candidate that looks most like to continue to pressure CCP to deliver this much needed feature! Issler I agree that more than a skeleton crew is needed for WiS developement but not till after they know what the hell they are going to do with it. Right now they seem to be more focused on "let's get an idea going that he players like". Obviously there is more interest in WiS than not. This does not mean blindly making stuff that may or may not be appreciated by the community and wasting massive amounts of time and effort on something that may very well cause a lot of rage. What it does mean is use a small team to redesign and gather ideas to present to the players for an idea of what should be implemented and what would be appreciated by the community before devoting resources to it. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.02.28 16:21:00 - [54] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Interesting discussion, but premature. Let's just get the damn door open and then hash out the details. Personally, I look forward to the day I can t-bag some schumk I just ganked in a dark hallway, but for now I'd simply be happy to take a walk and enjoy the environment. One baby step at a time, guys. Mr Epeen You wanna do that then we are going to need the ability to squat...not to mention run. That is probably the most irritating thing right now about WiS. Lack of basic and obvious functionality and control. Not to mention no boobie bounce...discussion on this high level topic can be found HERE! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.02.28 17:45:00 - [55] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Why don't you just come out and admit that you are just risk adverse and want all of WIS to be a PVE environment? That's all you have ever done, so it's completely understandable that's what you want WIS to be. PVP "arenas" exist in WOW and other crappy games that are NOT EVE. Why do you want to turn EVE into one of those? No one here wants to sanction "free ganks". That's just you reading-in your own risk aversion play-style. Gawd you fail badly. Why don't you check your facts before posting incorrect statements about what I think or how I play this game. Actually, how I play this game is none of your business and I won't be arsed into agreeing with your load of crap. Besides that, you have no room to talk. Obviously you're not involved with anything other than trolling these forums with an alt. Your character has been in NPC starter corp since it was created on 2007.03.26. Your character has no KillBoard record whatsoever and neutral security status meaning it doesn't do anything in-game. Quit hiding, grow a pair and post with your main character. Better yet, why don't you just go back to that game you keep mentioning and quit stalking me. Just block him bro. He isn't worth it. I have. The trolls on these forums are pretty bad. I have had to block several of them. Makes life easier not reading the crap that spews from them. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.02.28 21:32:00 - [56] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: Taiwanistan wrote: team avatar is not exactly a skeleton crew, they have 2 high-rankers a creative director, and a senior game designer. But are they 100% focused on ambulation? I suspect not. And they need some dev and art resources to prototype some of their better ideas. One other thing is I believe the majority of folks in Eve would be happy with something simple to start, just to see CCP is taking ambulation seriously. Let's not make the mistake of waiting till we have something massive and perfect before we players see any change in ambulation. You will never get it perfect on the first try, its the old software engineering waffle rule, you always throw the first one away, so matter how hard they try the first one will not be perfect. Issler I believe it was stated that Team Avatar was specifically for iteration and further developement of WiS content. I would suspect that this is their focus and priority but I would not expect that it is the only thing they are working on at the moment with the overall focus of CCP being on FiS and core content. I could be wrong but that is how I see it. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.03.01 13:57:00 - [57] - Quote xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: Blah blah blah while quoting stuff... You clearly know what you are talking about. You should run for CSM. You know how to fix EvE and give everybody exactly what they want. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.03.01 17:03:00 - [58] - Quote oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: Blah blah blah while quoting stuff... You clearly know what you are talking about. You should run for CSM. You know how to fix EvE and give everybody exactly what they want. Lol let him first read the whole thread again, maybe he can come up with some new troll comments. Not the same sentences that are put in here over and over again. I know, I know...I think I am just in a bad mood this morning. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.03.01 23:16:00 - [59] - Quote Yeah this thread rarely leaves the front page. And for good reason! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.03.02 13:52:00 - [60] - Quote Marquris Rova wrote: I'm hoping that they further develop the WiS. I don't mind that the focus is on the FiS, thats a good thing but I hope they know that there is a good amount of interest for further WiS development. I'm not even looking for something that amazing with crap tons of features. I would actually welcome that they include a "cantina" at every station where players can mingle and do basic functions like trade or something. Thats pretty basic and I don't think is asking too much...Baby steps, is all. The problem is...those of us that want WiS developement don't mind that they focus on FiS but the moment they shift even the smallest amount of focus to WiS the FiS babies start stomping their feet, shooting at statues, opening hundreds of QQ threads and start unsubbing because they think they aren't getting enough of their way in EvE. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.03.02 19:45:00 - [61] - Quote xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Marquris Rova wrote: I'm hoping that they further develop the WiS. I don't mind that the focus is on the FiS, thats a good thing but I hope they know that there is a good amount of interest for further WiS development. I'm not even looking for something that amazing with crap tons of features. I would actually welcome that they include a "cantina" at every station where players can mingle and do basic functions like trade or something. Thats pretty basic and I don't think is asking too much...Baby steps, is all. The problem is...those of us that want WiS developement don't mind that they focus on FiS but the moment they shift even the smallest amount of focus to WiS the FiS babies start stomping their feet, shooting at statues, opening hundreds of QQ threads and start unsubbing because they think they aren't getting enough of their way in EvE. FiS babies ???? that's a lot of people mate, this is a FiS game with the potenial of WiS, undock idiots it's a huge galaxy. Not really...the people who want nothing but FiS and refuse to accept WiS of any kind are very few of the total players in EvE but they seem to be VERY vocal. Hence...babies. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.03.02 23:16:00 - [62] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: People still think this sandbox..this market simulator, is only about flying in space? sigh It's time to move past that and realize the dream of an integrated science fiction future sim that was originally envisioned by the creators of this fine, but lacking game. Mr Epeen Yay! And by simulate we mean realistic breast physics as well right? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.03.03 02:09:00 - [63] - Quote I say we form up a massive fleet of Guardians, get a proper cap chain going and rep the Jita 4-4 statue so CCP can put it back to the way it was. All in the name of improving WiS! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.03.06 23:19:00 - [64] - Quote @Karkur - I am a little confused as well. I think CCP needs to work on what they want to work on. Your game, your world, your dream. We just play in it. If what you deliver isn't what some people want then they can quit. Frankly nobody has a right to complain really considering every expansion CCP has released was FREE OF CHARGE! Can't make it more clear than that. I say if the community wants to have a say in what is released then the community should pay for the expansions. Either way...I doubt that there is a single pro WiS person in this thread that doesn't want you to continue the great work you do with FiS. There are a LOT of pro FiS people that refuse to accept WiS as part of the game and don't want you to do anything with it at all. Trolls will troll. Keep up the good work CCP. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.03.07 02:25:00 - [65] - Quote oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: LOL! Get a room guys. Mr Epeen no we don,t Yes you do. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.03.07 13:53:00 - [66] - Quote Dang...I had to view the posts of Ladie Harlot and Taiwanistan just to see what you guys are arguing with them about. Why don't you all just block them. Ignore them and everything they say. Eventually people will stop quoting them and they will stop coming to this thread for attention. There are like 5 of them who troll this thread to no end. Let them troll...if you don't feed the trolls they eventually leave. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.03.07 14:16:00 - [67] - Quote Samillian wrote: I'd be all for WiS as long as: 1. It doesn't de-rail FiS development again. 2. You get Supermarionation as a display option. lol @ Supermarionation. America! ** YEAH! I can see it now... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.03.07 21:22:00 - [68] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: CCP karkur wrote: wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way I think that people who want WiS are incredibly patient, provided how we are the guys who got the new broken feature that may take years to fix, if it ever is fixed, and who can't even play with it. I am aware that CCP has got a gazillion more pressing matters, but it would not be wise at all for us to leave the field to trolls and allow CCP to forget about who they fukked the most and the deeper in june 2011: the people who actually wanted "Incarna". You owe it to us, dudes. You seriously owe it to us. I think what Karkur was referring to...(I could be wrong, it's all a little confusing) is the people who refuse to accept WiS at all and think everybody needs to work on FiS and only FiS. I think people like that are self centered and ignorant. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.03.08 14:26:00 - [69] - Quote Is there anybody that still hasn't placed Taiwanistan on ignore? I kinda feel like he might just be talking to himself in this thread... I think we all need to just chill out a bit on the WiS topic. I am sure Team Avatar is reading our ideas and taking what they can to see what can be done with it. We will likely hear more information at Fanfest which is less than a month away. Keep the ideas going in this thread. Ignore the trolls. Let them say what they want but lets not feed them. You aren't going to change thier minds and they wont change yours. Just move on. Personally I cannot wait to see what Team Avatar comes up with. I would also like to reinforce that shooting people in the face while in station would be awesome! Look at how fun Mass Effect 3 is. Do that in EvE. Aw heck... This goes out to Team Avatar and the rest of CCP. You put in a 3rd person shooter aspect to EvE like ME3 while in station and I guarantee you that not only will EvE kick even more ass than it does right now but you will draw in more subscribers. People like doing MMO stuff on the ground and even more so with a gun in hand and a face to shoot for both PvE and PvP. You want the ultimate space sim? That will be one HUGE step towards that end. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1218	Posted - 2012.03.09 22:57:00 - [70] - Quote oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: Flamespar wrote: When it comes to dust players wanting to try out EVE, starting them out in an environment with which they are already familiar (ie an avatar) will help them make that transition. Incarna will be a link between the two games, Plus I want to be able to shoot mercs personally if they don't deliver on my contracts. dustbunny execution in station ........................ i like!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and a extra emote for the goons and another one I think the term that is most popular so far is "Dustmites". EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1220	Posted - 2012.03.12 20:34:00 - [71] - Quote If this isn't already the case then the anti WiS players should just shut the ** up now. If I didn't like WiS, I wouldn't run it at all. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1223	Posted - 2012.03.12 23:32:00 - [72] - Quote I think you missed the point of my post entirely. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1229	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:57:00 - [73] - Quote His point has pretty much been the point of every person in this thread that want's to see the fulfillment of WiS. It is the few that are afraid of change that don't understand what WiS really means to EvE and CCP. WiS, more content and new content, not just reiteration of the same space content is what is going to keep EvE going. It is not the elite, hardcore PvP players that keep EvE going. It is the Highsec dwelling, casual players that do. This is evident by the numbers alone of who is playing where. 80% of the populace is in Highsec last I checked. Some people seem to think that what they want is what everybody wants. This is not the case. I have said this before...I have supported and even proposed ideas in the past that I don't necessarily want to see happen but because I realize that they may be what is best for CCP and EvE as a whole, I support them. I honestly don't want to see Microtransactions of any kind in EvE. This includes PLEX. But I realize that they are a necessary evil for the survival of both CCP and EvE. So I support them to an extent. WiS is a good thing for EvE. Anything that broadens the gameplay and creates more avenues for other players to join is a good thing. Regardless of what a player is doing in the game, it is income for CCP which means more devs, which means more stuff for FiS and WiS, which means better content and more frequent content and a longer life for EvE. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1324	Posted - 2012.03.24 20:33:00 - [74] - Quote Just stay active on the forums Issler. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1324	Posted - 2012.03.25 04:57:00 - [75] - Quote Issler, since you are the voice for WiS on the CSM, I hope you can find it in your heart to show your support (no pun intended) for THIS idea. PLEASE?! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1330	Posted - 2012.03.25 13:57:00 - [76] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Issler, since you are the voice for WiS on the CSM, I hope you can find it in your heart to show your support (no pun intended) for THIS idea. PLEASE?! So more realistic character physics. I'd say a goal way down the road (way way way way down). Sure. But I can't imagine worrying about that until we have a LOT more on the other side of the door to enjoy. Issler Oh of course! I figure it is like the Dead Horse POS thread though...Gotta get it up early so it can be done 6 years from now. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1337	Posted - 2012.03.26 12:52:00 - [77] - Quote I think a lot of you are completely missing the point of everything said at Fanfest. CCP has admitted to and apologized for losing sight of the core gameplay of EvE, which is, FiS. Spaceships and blowing ** up. The got back on track and intend to stay there. Part of that is to correctly develope WiS into something that works along the lines of the core gameplay. In other words, killing people and blowing up. They want WiS to succeed but in a way that the players want. They know we want to kill each other in stations. They know we want risk as well as reward. They know all of this. What they are saying is they are commited to making WiS happen but only when it can be done right. The video shown at the end of Fanfest is just showing us what they have in mind and where they want to go with it. All through Fanfest I heard them say over and over..."Do you want this? We won't do this unless you say you want it. We want your input. We want your ideas. We want to make EvE what you want it to be. We won't do these awesome graphis upgrades, and beautiful explosions and ring asteroids unless YOU want it.". They said this repeatedly. They were guaging the reactions of the players at Fanfest to the content they were showing. They are still guaging our reactions on the forums. So far it is all good stuff and looking like a bright future for EvE. I want WiS as much as the rest of you. But I want it when it is done right. I wan't to kill people in stations that I don't like. I want to kill Drones for PvE content. I want everything that we have in FiS now as part of WiS in the future. If that means waiting another 3 years for it. So be it. If there is one thing that the gaming industry should learn from all of this it's, do it right or don't do it at all. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1377	Posted - 2012.03.28 16:11:00 - [78] - Quote bornaa wrote: Writing a BIG 4000. post! FAIL! lol EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1450	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:49:00 - [79] - Quote Those NPC outposts and stations are pretty damned hard to kill. I would say make them destroyable but still tough to destroy. Allow the WiS pilot to dock with the station. Show his ship outside the station but docked. The ship then is enveloped in the shield/armor of the station so the only way to kill the ship is to blow up the station as well along with the WiS pilot that is inside. Pilot dies in the station and his ship is lost just like with regular PvP. While in the station the WiS pilot should have some kind of alert that lets him know if the station is under attack and the status of the station so he can get out to his ship and undock for a fight. This would be epic! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1471	Posted - 2012.04.06 00:52:00 - [80] - Quote Richard Aiel wrote: wis is crap they threw together for World of Darkness and FiS is EVE You aren't going to get much love in this thread with that ** poor ignorant attitude. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1473	Posted - 2012.04.06 21:26:00 - [81] - Quote That's fine. But there are also people in the game, right at this instant, that WANT to roleplay with pretty graphics of their character walking around in a room with other characters. Fact is, a lot of people don't play EvE for this reason alone. Most people cannot attribute their "character" to being a ship that they can't even customize. WiS was a big step in correcting this but still has a long way to go. Everybody hears about EvE. Most don't play because it is either too hard or does not have the features they want in a game. Why else do you thing games that clone WoW, such as SWToR get millions of subs on the first day but EvE still sits below the half million mark even though it is a SciFi space game? Ask any gamer playing another MMO about EvE. They will say either "It's too hard" or "I want to be more than just a ship.". EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1483	Posted - 2012.04.09 13:36:00 - [82] - Quote There were some pretty cool things at one of the Fanfest's that was showing off some mini games in station. There was some kind of TBS game game that was like Chinese Checkers for EvE as well as a couple of other things. Those are more than welcome to be in stations, but we still need really good EvE centric gameplay to go with it. In other words, shooting people. I remember back in the day when I played Asherons Call, they introduced these Chess boards in certain places in the world and you and another person could play against each other. The peices you used were representations of the creatures you killed in the game and the Chess board was life sized. It was fun on the PvP server, running up to someone playing chess and laying waste to their body with a flurry of daggers. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1486	Posted - 2012.04.09 16:27:00 - [83] - Quote I dunno...I know quite a few that love the idea of EvE and everything about it but simply won't play for the lack of an actual avatar. Many of those people now play since Incarna was released but with that said I am sure there are those out there that would join EvE for the proper kind of WiS gameplay and would consider FiS secondary to that. It takes all kinds. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1486	Posted - 2012.04.09 19:14:00 - [84] - Quote Nova Fox wrote: Now let me say one thing. Eve isnt dying becuase it doesnt have WiS. Its just not growing as fast... I have to agree with some sentiments on the other side. Too much resources and time was spent for what little we got. However... Lets not throw away what they got done. That would be like throwing out all the medical research that communist and socialist countries performed on living people. True the people behind the experiments where ill intentioned, but the things they've learned are saving people's lives. Throwing it all away is just further insult to all those who where removed to bring you this basis to build off of. Absolutely. For all the time and resources that were devoted to WiS, it should have been a full blown, polished and finished product when Incarna was released. At the same time though, throwing away all that work is an equally supid move. It is good that they are taking a step back to re-asses the gameplay and what is needed to make WiS work properly within EvE. What needs to be done at this point is for a solid idea and direction to be decided on and when the time is appropriate, move on and finish it. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1493	Posted - 2012.04.10 13:33:00 - [85] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: There were some pretty cool things at one of the Fanfest's that was showing off some mini games in station. There was some kind of TBS game game that was like Chinese Checkers for EvE as well as a couple of other things. Those are more than welcome to be in stations, but we still need really good EvE centric gameplay to go with it. In other words, shooting people. I remember back in the day when I played Asherons Call, they introduced these Chess boards in certain places in the world and you and another person could play against each other. The peices you used were representations of the creatures you killed in the game and the Chess board was life sized. It was fun on the PvP server, running up to someone playing chess and laying waste to their body with a flurry of daggers. -1 -1 to you too scrub. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!

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